Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Phone number 1 800. Less successful males roam further. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. So. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Women control our lives. Seems reasonable! Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. It's listed as population of least concern. John you're on the air. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. Caller: I have yeah. Think you've seen a mountain lion. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. 44-N Links. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Do they travel. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Yes. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Here it is. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time.
They kill big animals. Select image for larger view. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts.
Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center I can't. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. N.H. These were normal everyday folks. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. And they were using all the habitat. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree.
List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. One was in Shelton. Just. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. Think you've seen a mountain lion? Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. So it is possible to see male Mountain lions roam into the northeast - there was one hit by a car in CT a number of years back - but we don't have a breeding population of Mountain lions in New England. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. 1957. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Peter Biello: Hmm. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. I'll send it to you.
You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Rick your thoughts. Patrick Tate: Okay.
Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. It was not a bobcat. Part II. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. You need a permit to have that. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Thanks for a great thanks. It doesn't happen as much anymore. Thanks very much. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. So do they. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. No that's a little bit outside the range. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Can you tell us about that story. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans.
Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Can you look into this picture. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. "Of those three to five reports,. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. David Erler says some of them probably have. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. There are corollaries in other states.
History of Mountain Lions in New Hampshire | NH Wildlife I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it.
Alleged mountain lion sightings put Derry, Windham residents on edge Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. Patrick Tate: Well. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Patrick Tate: Yes. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. The report came in from a conservation officer. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Thanks for taking my call. Right. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. You're on the air. Okay. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. So give us a call now. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. Does not test random Scouts. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Caller: Yeah. Thank you. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. So they're scary. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Mike thanks for your call. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s.